4 comments on “Thoughts on TYFTH Mix Construction

  1. I hope you still plan to keep the blog going, considering the impossibility of properly following a post like this! What to say now, hmm…mixing for me has dealt almost exclusively with my own tracks for the past few years, luckily limiting the amount of things I have to consider on that front. I can say the bit about using Lush’s breakdown as an intro definitely rings true, as there are some I find myself tending to huge sections of to keep a workable pace going. Can’t think of more to add. It’s amazing to see you finally lay out the thought process behind your sets; I knew it went far, but not quite this far!

    • What a starting point you’ve got though, beginning with a set entirely of your own! It could be really interesting to go the Betwixt route and try including occasional tracks from other artists?

      And thanks, I’m very glad to hear that you and others are getting something from the post! What to follow it up with is a question that’ll need a bit more thought…

  2. A process post. I love processes.
    That guide sure is coming handy for me.
    Despite not being a practitioner at all, I did bother investing in a controller
    and lots of tracks, and thinking about what I would play.

    I can share some things from my bag of tricks:

    Having a MP3 player stocked up when on the go. commuting and too braindead to be

    A capacity for aural imagery, or audiation.
    Something similar exists with visual art. You look at lots of pictures, draw them
    a lot, and if you do it enough, you won’t need them anymore.
    In both cases, that capacity is built by listening to a lot of material as to
    extract general principles underlying the genre.

    You would think that it is something that is only needed in music production, but
    I do believe it is possible to “audiate” transitions between some tracks, write them down
    for later and see if they work.
    And actually producing helps as well, since knowledge of structure helps preparing transitions
    and if you can actually create a track, you can plan for how well it would mix with some tracks
    of your choosing.

    That brings a few questions though:

    Are there other genres that mixes well with freeform, without introducting
    much discontinuity?
    Hard NRG obviously, some hard acid trance would be close to the speed required,
    happy hardcore, goa trance, gabber…..
    Some hard trance tracks would be too slow to mix them with.

    • The aural imagery point is a fantastic one that I really should have mentioned, thanks! I’ve done a huge amount of that over the years – almost always when hitting a set-planning brick wall and running out of ideas. Whether commuting or just getting away from the mixing gear for a walk somewhere I’ve often gone through transitions in my head that have either worked well or sparked some ideas in a new direction.

      You’re surely right about track production leading to a better understanding of what’s needed for a god transition, but there are also a lot of producers who clash keys all over the place when mixing tracks, which I really don’t understand. I’m actually finding that the reverse is true too, and the mixing experience is helping in unexpected ways with production and track structure. Still battling away to put it to real use, as I’ve only recently noticed how much it might make a difference.

      As for the question – if we’re talking in terms of a ‘TYFTH style’ set then I’ve had some success with some schranz, drum and bass, gabber and breakcore, as well as some faster goa trance (Khetzal – Ganesha Pramana is the classic example). Proteus is probably the master of mixing genres in that way, and it’s thanks to one of his sets that I regularly started using Order Chaos.

      I’m still very keen on the idea of using ambient/dark ambient as a long breakdown or intro after E-Mantra – The Boatman worked pretty well at CODEX. I’m not so keen on dark psy in freeform sets, but Cogi had a real knack for making that work too.

      Would love to hear any eventual set attempts you come up with, incidentally 🙂

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